Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sheik Ali

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Appears to clearly pass GNG threshold. Delete votes have no strong argument, or focus on the weakness of specific sources without explaining why all of them, and there are many, are useless for establishing notability. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 14:52, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sheik Ali

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The core section has been unsourced for a long time despite templates and there are no sources to back the claims. This article made a number of outrageous claims that have already been removed either by me or by others. Clearly not a notable wrestler under the guidelines regarding sourcing in particular - or lack thereof. Article written as a vanity article even though BLP doesn't apply for obvious reasons. I suggest deletion as it can't be improved with sources. Addicted4517 (talk) 22:53, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Wrestling-related deletion discussions. Addicted4517 (talk) 23:01, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Addicted4517 (talk) 23:01, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 03:24, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep sesrching Wadi Ayoub on Google Books serves up a plethora of substantial coverage in reliable independent sources. Clearly notable. Article just needs some work. FloridaArmy (talk) 14:01, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Look again. First page casual mentions, beyond that it's "Wadi" and "Ayoub" separately. Where is your substantial coverage of this particular wrestler? Actually look at the links, don't just count the numbers of them. It's nowhere near as good as you think. 2001:44B8:802:1100:2435:194F:8299:C36C (talk) 20:34, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I looked again and the coverage is definitely there. See "Wadi+ayoub"&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiz94fopYPaAhUBca0KHdXEDXMQ6AEILDAA#v=onepage&q="Wadi%20ayoub"&f=false here for example. And the Arab Observer - Page 37 https://books.google.com/books?id=UedXAAAAMAAJ 1962 "The mammoth Hungarian gentleman ( Inset ) who rejoices in the likely name of King Kong actually took a beating last week at the hands of Wadi Ayoub, the Lebanese champion (main picture) in a Beirut match. This was a vengeance return tangle for a hout in Singapore, where — it is claimed — 25 policemen had to assault the ring to break up the wrestli ng pair. In the latest episode King Kong gave up after 25 minutes' mauling and was hauled off to hospital with head wounds.." FloridaArmy (talk) 20:40, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Casual mention only. Once in the whole book (both of them) and one paragraph in the first. How is that substantial? 2001:44B8:802:1100:2435:194F:8299:C36C (talk) 20:52, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Neither is a casual mention. The first is an entry wntirely about him in Legends of Pro Wrestling: 150 Years of Headlocks, Body Slams, and Piledrivers by Tim Hornbaker and the second source is an excerpt showing the detailed and expansive coverage his boughts received. Keep in mind sources from the 1940s, 1950s and 1960s aren't readily available online. Notability is well established. FloridaArmy (talk) 20:56, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Notability is not established. It is a casual mention. Newspaper coverage is available online from that period. So where is it? Singapore loved it's wrestling then. 25 police would have got newspaper coverage. It's not there. Looks to me like kayfabe embelishment that needs back up. And proper back up. You just used two books as well. Just two. 2001:44B8:802:1100:2509:8F4E:9BB6:817C (talk) 21:03, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I just checked the Australian newspaper archive Trove as Ali wrestled there then as well. Using Sheik Ali as a phrase and adding wrestling I got five results and none of them were about him. 2001:44B8:802:1100:34B9:C819:7333:19BE (talk) 21:07, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Did you consult the book 100 years of professional wrestling in Australia? It has very extensive coverage of Ayoub. FloridaArmy (talk) 21:30, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Did you see who wrote it? COI all over that one. 2001:44B8:802:1100:74C9:9DB2:CD3D:3255 (talk) 22:54, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - fails Notability. ^{Atsme📞📧} 18:00, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Some of the existing sources are fine and significantly discuss the subject.[1][2][3][4]. Some sources also refer to him as one of greatest wrestlers in Australia.[5][6] The article also probably passes WP:ENTERTAINER as he has performed in notable wrestling matches.[7] KingAndGod 14:06, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - sources listed by KingAndGod constitute significant coverage. PhilKnight (talk) 22:32, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Previously mentioned sources contain casual mentions only and no significant coverage. Never worked for Stadiums Limited which indicates he wasn't as popular as has been led to believe. Never worked for World Championship Wrestling either (Manspace link is totally wrong). No notable wrestling matches at all proven. Third link from KingandGod biased per IP above noting conflict of interest. 101.189.113.1 (talk) 01:56, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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